Kenshin VS Zoro (Rurouni Kenshin VS One Piece)

DBX: Kenshin VS Zoro (Rurouni Kenshin VS One Piece)

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  • Bismuth73 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Ah, yes. Zoro lives up to his reputation of the Showy Invincible (Anti)Hero. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Roronoa Zoro is the quintessential embodiment of my least favorite character archetype. Let me explain this archetype in a formula of tropes. The tropes they have are added, the tropes they need are subtracted, and tropes that often coincide are multiplied by each other: 

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    (Informed Flaw x Mr. Vice Guy) + (Showy Invincible HeroSmug Super) + (Offscreen Inertia x Designated Hero) + (Karma HoudiniWorf had the Flu) - Break the HaughtyBrought down to BadassTook a Level in KindnessReality Ensues = (what I like to call) The Insufferable Badass.

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    If that seems confusing, let me break it down.

    1.) This first one is the least important, so I'll get it out of the way first. This character has some kind of otherwise-debilitating flaw that would seem off-putting in real life (in Zoro's case, it's sleeping a lot and drinking even more), and yet the plot pretty much ignores it.

    Comments: On one hand, this isn't one that I have as much disdain for, and it's typically one of the marks of a Mary Sue. And not all Insufferable Badasses have this trait. But I can safely say that it's the most common similarity between Insufferable Badasses that isn't directly connected to what I find unlikable about them. Think of it as their mainstream calling card.

    Be that as it may, I find that it adds insult to injury when combined with the cluster-tropes below, simply because it shouldn't be something any realistic character could feasibly get away with


    2.) The character is portrayed as such a huge badass that there is no dramatic tension over the possibility of them losing. On top of that, the character is aware of this, and whenever they're in their element, they smugly flaunt it to whoever challenges them.

    Comments: Zoro has this one written all over him. Granted, he saves the Smug Super behavior for his enemies, but the intent is the same. Unless this kind of behavior is played for laughs like with Bugs Bunny or Perry the Platypus, there's not much that can really justify it. The Rule of Cool does keep it from getting boring, but it doesn't detract from how poorly it reflects on the character's development.


    3.) This is by far the one that I find most unlikable. Despite the fact that the character is established as one of the protagonists, their behavior very frequently flies in the face of their supposed heroism. I suppose you could think of this as the character being a hypocritical anti-hero, in that they fight a hero's battles the way an anti-hero would. But the insulting part of this comes from the fact that the plot never gives any indication that the character's behavior is improving for the better, implying that (worst of all) their more despicable actions continue to go unacknowledged.

    Comments: I could go on for hours about how much this pattern pisses me off when I see it in a character. But I'll just stick to the point I'm trying to make. Zoro fits the bill for this rather uniquely. On one hand, he completely averts it around his friends and those who need and deserve his help. In these situations, he acts like more of a Jerk with a Heart of Gold. But on the other hand, Zoro's favoritism towards his crew is a cookie cutter staple of shounen anime. And even though he does do heroic things for people, the fact that he treats others with brutality and indifference paints Zoro as more of a Hero with an F in Good than anything else. Can this kind of behavior be adequately justified? Sure. Is it justified in Zoro's case? Without a doubt. Does that justification make his character any more respectable? No... not really. In fact, not in the slightest. All kinds of anime characters (*cough* ...ERZA... *cough*) go through the same stuff and maintain a sense of heroic integrity. So Zoro really has no excuse. C'mon, Zoro. Get over yourself and stop being such a douche. It's not rocket science... or navigating.


    4.) This one ties everything together and makes it all a thousand times worse. The combined pattern of the Karma Houdini and Worf had the Flu tropes makes this stereotype into the holistic garbage I am convinced that it is. In the midst of all the things listed above, the character dodges any kind of comeuppance thrown their way, particularly when they do something notably unlikable. Not only that, but the plot goes out of its way to disassociate any of the character's equalizing defeats with the notion that they might have gotten knocked down a peg. This last pattern once again makes everything else mentioned above much worse in context.

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    -When applied to the Informed Flaw/Mr. Vice Guy pattern, it shows that the character's flaws are deliberately being downplayed and ignored, adding to how contrived the durability of their Plot Armor is.


    -When this is applied to the Showy Invincible Hero/Smug Super pattern, it leads me to believe that Zoro (or any Insufferable Badass) could potentially be a full-blown Mary Sue (albeit an incredibly jerky one). After all, not only is the hero flaunting their invincibility, but that invincibility is actively protected by the plot. The fact that the narrative goes out of its way to ignore the struggles the hero faces in favor of how awesome they are... that is precisely why I'm not impressed by Zoro's amazing qualities or feats.

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    One Piece Fanboy STEREOTYPE: ZORO CHOPPED A MOUNTAIN IN HALF!! *fangasm*

    Me: Uck, so? It's not like the plot was trying to make that significant to the story. It's just absurd awesomeness for the sake of absurd awesomeness. BORRRING. If I wanted to see that, I would watch Man of Steel or one of Michael Bay's films.

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    -But what this pattern implies about the Offscreen Inertia/Designated Hero pattern is arguably the worst of the worst, particularly with regards to how Karma Houdini applies. The story is basically saying that we can never expect anything to change about the Insufferable Badass in a significant way. Whether they are loved or hated by anyone (in-universe or in real life), their character arc is pretty much going nowhere. Not only that, but they will never be definitively payed back for the ways in which they've acted like a jerkass. In fact, I guess you could say that Offscreen InertiaKarma Houdini and Designated Hero form the unholy trinity of this stereotype. After all, you've got a character with a.) unlikable behavior that flies in the face of their heroic characterization (free of any notice or justification), b.) the ability to evade any comeuppance for the unlikable things they do, and c.) a viscous cycle that will keep their awful character in place indefinitely. 

    That... is one of the most atrocious characters imaginable. That is a character I want to see suffer a Humiliation Conga. That is a character I will never have any respect for, for as long as I live.

    *sighs* Sorry, that got a little heated. But rage aside, my point stands. And the aforementioned apostasy is in no way helped by the fact that Worf had the Flu. It just means that all the other characters can't do jack squat about the Insufferable Badass.

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     weary disappointed It doesn't have to be this way. It really doesn't. I've actually seen this character type done well on multiple occasions.

    Qrow Branwen from RWBY, however, is the best example. After all, almost all of the above tropes are explained/justifies by Qrow's Semblance and the rest aren't fulfilled at all (SPOILERS UP TO SEASON FOUR, EPISODE EIGHT OF RWBY): He brings bad luck to everyone and everything in his vicinity. Indiscriminately. The fact that he constantly brings misfortune to his foes justifies his supposed invincibility. And if he uses it for good, then why not rub it in his opponent's face (as long as you don't give it away explicitly)? And Qrow's personality is rounded out enough that his ass-kicking doesn't crowd out the rest of his characterization (Zoro's character may be well-written, but it's also a one-note song of occasionally-subverted stoicism, crowded out by his badassery). But what's important in Qrow's case is that his characterization actually fits the bill for a well-written anti-hero. He does good often and sincerely enough that it doesn't seem forced or reluctant (Zoro may do the same thing, but he's not really a heroic anti-hero. His deeds of heroism are few and far between, and they're far exceeded by his indifference towards most people and his blood-lust for his enemies). Also, Qrow makes a visible effort to atone for how much of a jerk he can be at times. He helps out whenever he can and treats his friends and family like friends and family (doting on his niece Ruby especially)... But he still has the courtesy to keep his distance lest his Semblance bring harm to those he cares about.

    But most impressively of all, Qrow balances his good traits out with his less likable tendencies. He's still a hard-headed prick who enjoys pushing people's buttons and refuses to knuckle under for anyone but Ozpin. And he's a drunkard who lets his pants do the thinking when there's women involved (at least when the head on his shoulders gives him the OK; like when he chooses to hear whatever intel his sister Raven has to share, instead of immediately hitting on the waitress who had just flirted with him). The kicker is that it makes sense without any kind of contrived reasoning. Qrow is not only forced to bring misfortune to all those in his wake. He also has to choose between keeping anyone he cares about at arm's length or subjecting them to the same misfortune as his foes. That would make pretty much anybody cynical, especially a hard-working Huntsman like Qrow. So that explains his being a jerkass. Not only that, but it makes perfect sense that he would turn to sex and alcohol as a way to cope. And it's not like Qrow is taking all the good luck for himself. His team fell apart because of his sister, and by the end of Season 4 Episode 8 he's confirmed to be poisoned.  All that's really left is something to show that no, Worf does not have the flu. Across the board, Qrow fits this stereotype in a way that I wish could be done for every Insufferable Badass, up to and including Zoro. Before the reveal of his Semblance I hated Qrow for all the same reasons I hate Zoro. But RWBY did a great job of putting his characterization into the proper perspective.

    But, as he is now, I cannot respect Roronoa Zoro to any extent, nor any other character who handles the above tropes sloppily. Everyone has something in fiction that they just can't be accepting of. For me, the Insufferable Badass is that thing.

    • Bismuth73 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      @at1996185 STFU

    • kaej42 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      I don't expect to change your mind as your opinion is your own, but I would like to say a few things. The first is in repose to your 3rd point, zoro being a "hypocritical anti hero who you are told is good but never improves". While sure you aren't wrong, he is a jerk, was a jerk, and always will be a jerk, but ask you, does the show ever TELL you to expect otherwise, no not really. Zoro is a PIRATE, not a knight or a hero, he isn't the good guy. He doesn't fight for good, he fights for luffy, and luffy fights for himself, and anyone he likes not for goodnes. The whole thing about one peice is that they aren't supposed to be good guys. Now, I'm not saying they "fight for good in a way that's bad" because that isn't true. They don't really fight for what's good they are criminals, they steal and lie and kill all the time, they aren't the good guys, you can even argue that they actually are the villains. So sure zoro isn't a great guy, but he isn't a hero, heros don't exist in one peice, only people who suck slighly less then others. 

      And just breifly, of the three strongest members on luffy's crew, I think zoro gets his butt kicked more then most from what I remember, I actually don't remember a single battle of zoros (against an actual opponent not losers and goons) that he felt untouchable in, he usually was even the underdog but hey, that's just from what I remember from the show.


      My closing point is actually a question, have you watched through one peice, say half way at least, if so great, if not still great that doesn't mean your argument is invalid or anything but you should watch it, if you still hate him, more power to ya.


    • Bismuth73 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      @kaej42 No, honestly. When I got into anime, I knew that getting invested in one of the SUPER long ones (like One Piece and Naruto) would be a stupidly overpowering distraction. But honestly, I now have a few more reasons to not watch it.

      1.) Like you said, the characters are arguably villains. And honestly, I don't want to watch any anime that's told from the POV of its villain. That's why I've never started watching Death Note or Code Geass. If I can't sympathize and/or root for the one leading the story, why should I care?

      2.) Zoro. Enough said.

      3.) From what I have seen, it's only redeeming value that isn't a cookie-cutter staple of most anime is being surreal. I haven't watched a single full episode, and I already know that the One Piece universe is really, really, REALLY weird. Plus, I'm worried that it will present the staples of most anime in a way that is either distractingly hammy (in light of how hammy other old anime like Dragon Ball tend to be) or full of Narm (for similar reasons).

      4.) Most of all, however, I want to stay away from the seasonal rot that will await me in the later episodes. I've heard from a variety of different people and places that One Piece Jumped the Shark a while ago. Nobody can decide where exactly it happened, but Zoro's characterization after the most recent time skip leaves me inclined to agree.

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      So, here is my conclusion. If the Insufferable Badass (most accurately encompassed by the Jerk Sue trope) is the one character type I can't stand, then Lightning Farron's character archetype (best encompassed by the Broken Bird trope, if I understand you correctly) is the one that you can't stand.

  • Queenagentnewtexy

    2 months ago

    awesome sword play.  caboose

  • LOUKI10 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    As if he was even a threat. lol

  • CplSnorlax FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Professional Sleeper

    2 months ago

    What will it take to get Kenshin into a death battle? and who would you all put him up against?

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      I've seen Samurai Jack suggested, but that's not really a good match. I can't really think of a character that has some superhuman level abilities but is still within the slight realism that Rurouni Kenshin went for. Though I'd just be happy to see him appear regardless so I'd have an excuse to watch the show again, it's been to long.

    • LOUKI10 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      The best Opponent for Kenshin is Afro. Jack absolutely curbstomps.

    • g1Zanon

      2 months ago

      Jubei Kibagami that's who.

  • Yoshirocks92

    2 months ago

    Noel VS Dizzy (BlazBlue VS Guilty Gear)

    Wario VS Shadow (Mario VS Sonic)

  • Yoshirocks92

    2 months ago

    Looks like Zoro is a three way champ since he won OMM, DB and now DBX. Also Ash-Greninja is next, that's going to be interesting to see.

  • Kyouma95

    2 months ago

    I'm really impressed with how you used the sprites to make it almost like a 3D battle. Really fun battle! I think I liked this Zoro sprite better than the one used in his Death Battle. 

  • Gamer3427 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold taC terceS

    2 months ago

    Yea, even though I much prefer Rurouni Kenshin as a show, there would be absolutely no chance of him beating Zoro. Even in DBX, you couldn't ignore the power gap that much. Still, it made for a good fight none the less.....

  • g1darkhand14 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    the sign for the exit at the end was a nice touch

  • Whitmister FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Is that Ash Greninja?! Also totally saw that ending coming. Zero just out classes him in almost every way. Except in sense of direction. 

    • BraddonDent FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      In a way, Zoro's total inability to follow directions makes him a better wanderer. 

  • g1Lizardguy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Keep it up, you can see the improvements still going good.

  • ggilpin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    That was excellently animated.


  • KingJotun FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Results as expected, and the fight itself was pretty good. The fire particle effects make the video quality fall on lower resolutions, but a lot of the 3D/perspective stuff is pretty ambitious and works more than it doesn't. Also good fight choreography, and interesting choice of sprites for Kenshin and Zoro. Higher quality than those previously used for the OMM of this fight and Zoro vs Erza.


    Looks like Greninja next for DBX. Maybe vs Frog/Glenn from Chrono Trigger? Frog is no slouch, so it would be a fun fight.

  • lazybilly FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Is it bad if I say I liked this more than the OMM? Please don't hate me!

    • Czar_Muzza FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      Not at all. Agree with you 100%

  • Clarus_Nox FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Kenshin vs Gintoki would be a good death battles, a good amount of similarities between their histories. They also both use weapons that are supposed to be nonlethal.

  • Raxxel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Damn, that was pretty good! I was worried as fuck for Zoro because of the bad luck DB winners tend to have on this show, but he pulled through. Someone tell me who the next time is, I'm too lazy to try and make it out.

    • Nintend0guy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      It looks like Ash-Greninja.

    • Raxxel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      @Nintend0guy Ash Greninja specifically, huh? Wonder who he's facing?

    • KingJotun FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      @Nintend0guy @Raxxel Maybe Frog from Chrono Trigger for a knight vs ninja battle?

  • Jokerke FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Not bad, actually

  • BraddonDent FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Did they do this one already?

    • PokeSEGA64

      2 months ago

           As a One Minute Melee, back when they were still with ScrewAttack.

    • YugoGamingHD FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      Yes. Maybe they doing a rematch or something.