Okay, guys: so, it's been nearly a year and a half since this DEATH BATTLE! between Goku and Superman was released, and it seems like no matter where I look, there are plenty of downplayers that are trying to discredit the Man of Steel. Now, if you try to up-scale and fan-wank your own guy in a match-up like this, that's fine, because I can easily just disprove that. What I simply can't stand are DBZ fans who think that they're suddenly Superman experts after reading one blog that takes certain low-end feats, not all of them being PIS, out of context and then tries to downplay Superman to ridiculously-low levels, even as far as only being Moon-level, despite high-end feats putting him ridiculously higher than that. 

Note: This is NOT a comparison between Superman and Goku! This is strictly a thread to debunk UltimateSaiyan's blog, to clear up apparent inconsistancies, and to halt the downplaying caused by these supposed inconsistancies

For a while, most fans have had little-to-no response - some high-end feats appear to contradict other low-end ones, and many just chalk this up to Superman being inconsistent due to his many writers. I have found, however, that Superman's feats aren't usually not victims of inconsistancies, but of ommitted context surrounding them. All that being said, I intend to make the downplaying stop, and this blog is therefore created for that sole purpose of "clearing the air", in terms of quantifying Superman's feats. So, now that we've started, let's just get right into it. 

Myth #1 - "Superman cannot move Planets or Moons at all"

Exhibit A: Taken from New World of Krypton #7, where both Superman as"Commander El" and several other Kryptonians struggle with and fail to physically move one Moon, in order to place it in-orbit around New Krypton as their new Planet's Satellite:

The scan is very specific, referencing to Callisto, one of Jupiter's Moons - it's the third-largest Moon in the Solar System, having 99% of Mercury's size but a third of its mass at around 118 Quintillion tons, or 107 Sextillion kilograms. Of course, even with the considerable weight, Superman should've been able to move this large Satellite easily on his own, right? Yes, if you ignore the context. Anyone else notice the dialogue, in the panel of this "de-bunking" proof?

"We've been trying to smash the Sunstone crystals controlling Callisto's speed--but we can't break the envelope, and we've been unable to link up to the replacement pilot vessel."

"Rao knows how much Speed and G-Force we're up against"


Well, how's that for context? Callisto wasn't moving to New Krypton by itself, but it was traveling via a "Sunstone Crystal" technology utilized commonly for Kryptonian labor. Not only that, but if you actually read the comic, you'll find out that 1) most of the Kryptonians had literally just gotten their powers, and so were not too proficient in using them, 2) the Kryptonians were just in a battle with some renegade Thanagarian forces, so some of them might've been injured, 3) the advanced guidance system for the "Sunstone Crystal" technology was disrupted, and 4) the Moon had traveled from the middle of Earth's Solar System towards New Krypton, which is directly on the opposite side of Earth from the Sun, as established in the New Krypton story arc and elaborated more later on: 

What does this mean? This means that, for Jupiter's Moon to travel from its original orbit to New Krypton and threaten it, it would've had to travel half the Solar System to the Sun and then travel right past the Sun to New Krypton - that would be a distance of exactly 683,526,805 kilometers or at 38 Light Minutes, and that means that the Jovian Moon must've traveling at Relativistic speeds of at least 159,702.524 km per second or 159,702,524 m/s, around 53.27% of the Speed of Light. This point is also further reinforced by Superman himself actually describing the "envelope" that was generated by means of that Kryptonian "Sunstone Crystal" technology as being "Relativistic". Also, keep in mind that the Kryptonians had also likely still wanted to keep the Moon intact in order for it to orbit around New Krypton, not simply destroy it. With that being said, let's look at the feat and calculate it:

KE = 1/2mv^2

KE = 1/2 (107 Sextillion*59,702,524 m/s)^2

KE = 1.744728e+39 Joules

Calculating the Kinetic Energy behind the Jovian Moon, it would've had about 417.6 Sextillion megatons of force behind it - that's enough energy to move a Planet with the mass of Earth at a speed of 27,485,300 km per hour or 76,347,988.87 m/s, around Mach 224,361. That being said, this was easily a mid-tier Planet-moving feat and not just a Moon-moving feat. Fun fact; that same amount of Energy would also be enough to destroy the entire Planet 7,879,245 times over. Even dividing the Kinetic Energy among the 9 to 12 Kryptonians that I've counted on-panel, that still puts all of them as individually being more than capable of moving and destroying a Earth-sized Planet.

Exhibit B: Taken from Justice League of America #58, showing Superman struggling with both Wonder Woman and Green Lantern to pull the Moon as a team of Magic Users "assisted" them:

First off, the Magicians didn't help move the Earth - they were simply trying to negate the effects of the Lunar Gravity that the Moon's movement would've had on the Earth. This is clearly explained in-comic, and even the panel states that the Magicians were "running Interference in the Upper Troposphere" for the sole purpose to "nullify Lunar Gravity". 

Second of all, they weren't trying to just move the Moon - they were trying to move the Moon quickly, in order to 1) minimize Human casualities via suffocation and 3) keep the Magicians from having to nullify its Lunar Gravity for too long. Not only that, but the Justice Leaguers were also trying to actually control the velocity of the Moon to keep it from physically impacting with the Earth - Not only were Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern moving the Moon, but it's shown that they were also attempting to not overshoot the momentum of the Moon into the Planet itself, only to pass it by before pulling it back at the last second


It's a lot harder to pull a Moon long and then halt it with that much momentum, changing its direction like they did - to sum it up, they basically attempted to "throw" the Moon into Earth's atmosphere in order to accomplish the feat faster, and then pulled it back quickly enough so that it wouldn't actually collide with the Planet's surface. The resulting Kinetic energy needed to generate that much momentum and then to overcome it would also require them to overpower more of Earth's Gravitay, putting it be closer to mid-to-high end Planet-moving force, not just mere Moon-moving force.

Exhibit C: Taken from Superman #173 and Action Comics #782, both coming from the "Our Worlds at War" story arc and showcasing a sun-dipped Superman struggling Warworld, a Pluto-sized mechanical satellite:

Now, despite all his blatant downplaying, I'll still give UltimateSaiyan some credit where it's due, here - Warworld is said specifically to be the size of Pluto and, in comparison to Superman's size, doesn't look like a very large Planet. Despite this, however, there's still a couple of points that weren't brought up in his blog:

1. While Warworld was the same size as Pluto, it still didn't possess the same density - a object's physical Mass is calculated by both these factors, and Warworld was an artificial Planet, made up of an unknown metal-like alloy which would've been much denser and heavier than the Planetary rock that Pluto is actually made of. Since Warworld is still the same size as Pluto, but is also much denser, Warworld would have more mass and thus, more weight behind it. 

2. While Warworld was still only as heavy as its mass, density, and size is, we'd also have to take into account Warworld's thrusters - Brainiac 13 even mentions them, as Superman had moved  Warworld, utilizing them at full throttle as Superman had attempted to move Warworld: 

"Full Thruster Countermeasure -- how is he moving my Planet!?" 

Judging from previous appearances of Warworld, as well as the feats performed in these very issues, Warworld's thrusters can propel the satellite at massively FTL speeds, and this plays into how Superman pushed Warworld against the full power of those same thrusters, ergo using his immense strength to push against these FTL forces as well as Warworld's Planetary Mass. Also, in terms of the Kismit Boost, it was shown in the comic that Superman had already lost his substantial power boost from Kismit/Strange Visitor, upon punching and damaging Imperiex's armor, only having his Sun-dip as a Power Boost upon pushing Warworld: 


Since Warworld is made up of metal and Pluto is made out of Planetary rock, it's reasonable to assume that Warworld is denser than Pluto, so let's say that the metal's density is similar to that of steel, which is a very common, man-made metal alloy. The density of Steel is 7.85t/m3 and, given the density of the stone, it's specifically based off of the same Sandstone that's a normal, common stone found on Earth, itself having a comparable density of only 2.2t/m3. This estimate probably is a low-end one, considering that Warworld could've easily been comprised of an Alien metal found on another Planet with more Gravity, and thereby possess more density. Regardless, Pluto as a Celestial Object possesses a mass of 13.1 Quintillion tons, but Warworld's mass, calculated by (7.85/2.2)x13.1 Quintillion, gives us a mass closer to 46.74 Quintillion tons of mass. We also can't forget the thrusters which, although clearly having moved Warworld at FTL speeds, we can still make a conservative estimate and assume were only propelling the Planet at 0.9999999999999999 of the Speed of Light, being one quadrillionth less than that 300,000 km per second, so calculated with 46.74 quintillion/(1-0.9999999999999999^2)^0.5 tons. Accounting for both a) the missing Mass of Warworld, due to its higher density and durability, and b) the fact that Warworld was also moving at relativistic speeds, and therefore exerting even more force by means of Mass Dilation, the calculation then puts Superman's strength at 1.05 Octillion tons. 

Note: Credit for this calculation goes to UniqueGamer and his sources, as was featured in his own blog "Superman vs. Goku Death Battle: An Alternate Analysis" - while I don't agree with it in the fullest sense, it clearly has unbiased effort put into it, and Ican't fault him for what's in that blog. 

Exhibit D: Taken from Justice League of America #75, showing Superman struggling to pull the Earth with the assistance of Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter:

First off, yes, they were pulling the Planet - the smoke trail behind them clearly makes this evident, but they just weren't able to pull it fast enough, which is why Kyle Rayner had needed to jump in and aid them in the last panel. It had also been mentioned on-panel that they were in a hurry, because Martian Manhunter didn't know how long the spell on Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth would've lasted and, given the speed evident by the smoke cloud, even a low-end calculation would'veput this feat at high Planetary-level. For further information, I refer you to this calc as is credited to Derpaholic and his sources:

The distance that Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman had dragged Planet Earth was calculated as being 11,120.7 km, based on our pixel-scaling off of the diameter of the Earth itself and, by using the Kinetic Energy formula and using a low-end time of 10 seconds, this calc had gotten us a total energy of 8.826249392e20 Megatons of force, or divided into 2.942e20 Megatons of force per Justice Leaguer - enough to, again, pull the Earth at Hypersonic speeds.

Now, what other feats have Superman actually done, to put him at that Planet-moving level in terms of his physical lifting strength? The first feat that I'll present as proof of Superman possessing this kind of strength is in Justice League of America Volume 2 #29 - here, Superman moves the entire Earth with a harness constructed by Hal Jordan's Green Lantern Ring against the grip of Star-Breaker, who is a fully-grown Sun-Eater attempting to drag the Earth into the Sun:

Considering the context, this is easily enough force exerted to physically drag the Earth out of its orbit, and is also more than enough to physically push or move one of Earth's size, as well. The Sun is about 149,600,000 km in distance from the Earth, or at around 8.3 Light-Minutes, and the villain that's trying to drag the Earth into the Sun is Starbreaker, a fully-grown adult Sun-Eater. Take note that Green Lantern wasn't helping Superman physically move the Planet, by bearing any of the weight. He only constructed the harness that Superman utilized to move the Earth faster than he could with just his hands, and even in saying that, the likelihood is that Superman had held back to minimize the strain on Hal's harness-like construct. Even if we do assume that Green Lantern did assist beyond generating the harness and had actually bore some of the Earth's weight, Superman still pulled at least the equivalent of Earth's mass.

The second feat I'll present is taken from Trinity #2, showing Superman physically moving one miniature Sun that was 1) not empowering him, and 2) constantly growing, already being large enough to have a noticeable Gravitational Pull, therefore having miniature Planets orbiting it.

Even considering the smaller size of the Sun, its density would still easily put it at large Planet-level, and its Gravitational Pull is shown to match - in comparison, our own Sun was estimated as having a Mass of 2 Nonillion tons of weight behind it, though we have no stated mass for this Star beyond the fact that its Themonuclear reaction is still active and, therefore, it must possess Stellar Mass. The smallest known low-mass Star undergoing Nuclear Fusion in its core is AB Doradus C, which possesses a mass 93 times that of Jupiter or 0.0887 Solar Masses. Similarly, for Stars with similar metallicity to the Sun, the theoretical minimum Stellar mass that a Star can have, and still undergo fusion at the core, was estimated to be about 75 times that of Jupiter or 0.0715 Solar Masses. When the metallicity is very low, however, a recent study of the faintest obervable Stars has found that the minimum size of a Star seems to be about 0.87 Solar Masses. Stellar Mass can theoretically range from as low as 0.0013 Solar Masses to as much as 150 Solar Masses or more, so let's take the absolute minimum as the low-end:

1 Solar Mass (M?= 1.9891e30 kg, or 1.989 Octillion tons.

1.9891e30*0.0013 = 2.59e27 kg, or 2.854 Septillion tons. 

So, my estimate is that Superman had physically pushed a object that weighed around 0.0013 M? or 2.854 Septillion tons, hundreds of times heavier than Planet Earth, at an absolute minimum. This is also not even taking into consideration that the Star could've been unnaturally dense, more along the lines of a Neutron Star, which could easily make the feat even more impressive. Hell, If we'd want to consider it, technically, this estimate could've actually been downplaying the feat even on a more basic level. How? Because the Sun had been 1) still growing, and 2) still moving towards Earth - the Mass had to come from somewhere, and so I could easily reason that the Sun, while being much smaller than normal, still had far more Stellar Mass behind it and it was just simply transferring that mass from its density to its size. Not to mention that as a second point, since the Sun was also clearly heading towards Earth, we'd still have to figure out where the Sun came from and, therefore, just how fast it had been moving towards Earth via P=MV - the comic itself had said that this Sun was from another Universe and so, considering the implied distance and the fact that there's really no time-frame given, I'm not even going to bother. 

Nevertheless, the clear throwing of one miniature Sun by a non-sundipped Superman still very much remains just as surely an impressive feat of Superman's own strength, especially while withstanding Solar heat without being empowered, which definitely contradicts him somehow still not being able to move the Earth or the Moon. All these feats, while being used in conjunction with the context of those "de-bunking" feats posted as evidence by UltimateSaiyan, proves that Superman can, in fact, move Moons and Planets. 

Myth #2 - "Superman cannot destroy Earth-sized Planets, and had needed the Infinite Mass Punch just to destroy the Moon" 

Okay, while not having been brought up by UltimateSaiyan in his blog, I've heard other DBZ fans argue this point and, by him claiming that Superman cannot move either Moons or Earth-sized Planets, UltimateSaiyan is also insinuating by means of logical progression that Superman cannot destroy such Celestial bodies, as well. The most frequently used evidence of this claim is within Justice League of America Vol 2. #30, during which Superman is knocked out while using the Infinite Mass Punch in order to destroy a "Shadow Moon" that was created by Shadow Thief from the Moon's own shadow, heading strait for Earth:

Once again, context is disregarded, here - in order to see this, let's take a look at the previous scan: 

1) Now, first of all, I'd like to clear up the clear factual contradiction in this scan, most specifically in regards to where the Moon's mass is stated on-panel:

"The Shadow's mass will be the same as the real Moon." 

"81 Billion tons."


Now, that second line of dialogue, as stated by Batman, is false - the Mass of the Moon is not 81 Billion tons but is instead, in fact, much closer to 81 Billion Billion tons at 81 Quintillion tons, or at 73 Sextillion kilograms. I've also heard DBZ fanboys try and suggest that the DC Comics variant of the Earth's Moon had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon, but this claim is also false. The writer of Justice League Vol. 2 #30, Dwayne McDuffie, had later specifically mentioned on his own website that he had tried to, and made a error in, calculating the real-life Moon's mass for this comic, as well as that he had originally intended to utilize the actual Moon's mass of 81 Quintillion tons. This is also very evident even in the dialogue itself, where it's clearly stated that the Shadow Moon's mass "will be the same as the real Moon", yet the distinction still wouldn't make much sense, if Earth's Moon in the DC Universe had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon.

2) For some strange reason, some people always seem to selectively forget the basic scientific principal of "Force = Mass*Acceleration", even when it's been spoon-fed to them - it's also even funnier because that exact same comic, which had mentioned the F=MA equation on-panel, has already established that the Mass of the Shadow Moon, as well as the fact that it was heading to Earth. Still, do we know just how fast it was going? 

"My ring clocks it at 7,614,000 km per hour"

...and thank you, Green Lantern! Now, we have everything that we need to figure out just how much Kinetic Enery the Shadow Moon was exerting while heading for Earth, and how much Superman had to exert to stop it! Keep in mind that Superman didn't simply "stop" the Shadow Moon either - he actually was able to not only match the Shadow Moon's forward momentum, moving at 7,614,000 km per hour or 2,115,000 m/s, but also outright shattered it into fragments and exerted far more than the necessary power to pulverize it.

KE = 1/2mv^2

KE = 1/2(73 Sextillion*2,115,000)^2

KE = 1.632727124e+35 Joules

Calculating the Kinetic Energy of the Shadow Moon has given us a result of 3.9 Quintillion Megatons of force - that's enough energy to destroy Earth 735.84x over. In reality, then, and with this feat calculated properly, we'd discover that the collision had actually featured Superman having been exerting Large Planet-busting to Multi-Planet busting force with that IMP, and not merely Moon-busting force - to tell you the truth, this would've made perfect sense when we also consider that the entire point of Shadow Thief even sending this energy-based "Shadow Moon" to collide with the Earth, was actually to destroy the Planet!

3) Superman was knocked out by the strain of using the Infinite Mass Punch, not merely by the act of destroying the Shadow Moon. So, how do we know this? Because we know the scientific basis that is behind the functionality of the Infinite Mass Punch (IMP):

F = MA - The vector sum of the Forces (F) on any object is equal to the Mass (M) of said object, multiplied by the Acceleration (A) vector of the same object. In short; Force = Mass*Acceleration. 

This principal, the Second Law of Newton's Three Laws of Motion, is just one of the two fundamental scientific principals that are both behind the use of the Infinite Mass Punch (IMP), with the other being Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity - the latter theory states that 1) nothing can surpass the Speed of Light, and 2) if a particle having Mass ever did somehow accelerate towards the Speed of Light, then that particle's Mass would proceed to increase exponentially towards having Infinite Mass. This is also consistent with what has been expressed in the Justice League of America: New World Order story arc in which the Flash, the inventor of the Infinite Mass Punch, had hit a White Martian with the IMP and in-monologue noted that as he'd approached the Speed of Light, all visual input had begun to blue-shift and his body's mass increased "towards Infinity"

So, this shows us that Superman's Infinite Mass Punch doesn't have a fixed output of energy - it varies greatly, depending on how long Superman can stay just under the Speed of Light as well as how close he can possibly get to traveling at the Speed of Light, while staying just under it. Another of Newton's Laws of Motion, the Third Law, also reveals the backlash of using the Infinite Mass Punch and is thereby able to reveal why Superman was really knocked out during the Shadow Moon feat: 

"When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body - in short; for every action, there is a equal and opposite reaction"

In more common terms, this basic scientific principal is more commonly known as recoil, such as when you're discharging a firearm - there's always a force that's working against you, pushing against your body as you're firing, depending only on the size, weight and mass of the round that you're firing and regardless of the mass of the target that you're firing at. That being said, there was also likely a similar backlash when Superman had propelled his body, having exponentially increased its mass, to collide with the Shadow Moon, regardless of the force exerted by the Shadow Moon itself. When this is experienced in conjunction with the physical strain of increasing his mass to that point, which probably was more than enough to pull a couple of muscles, that was probably what had made Superman get knocked out. Even ignoring this point, we could also easily liken this feat to Superman simply throwing one punch with literally every single ounce of his body's strength - let the Plot Gods help whatever he'd actually manage to hit with that punch but, just as it would've been with a normal Human being, his bodily tissues would likely be in just as bad a shape. This was further proven by the fact that Superman didn't remain unconcious for very long, after destroying the Shadow Moon - in fact, he was fully recovered in the very next panel and the only noticable damage that he had suffered from was a slightly-torn suit.

In addition, It's also noteworthy to point out that the Flash, again, as being the inventor of the Infinite Mass Punch, doesn't have this problem due to one factor - the Speed Force, which has both defied the Laws of Physics and simply redirects all of the exerted force away from the Flash himself. This is also why we rarely, if ever, actually see the Flash generate Sonic Booms on-panel, or why the Flash also doesn't ever have the particular need to de-accelerate while traveling in crowed areas, such as cities - it's because there's simply no backlash exerted to affect his surroundings and, in conjunction with his senses and reflexes, nobody that he will affect by running past them. Superman, however, doesn't have that benefit - he has no access to the Speed Force, as the Flash does, and so is limited to relying on his Kryptonian durability and his Bio-Electric Aura to endure the increase of Mass that the Flash doesn't need to. 

Now, what further proof do we have, of Superman being able to destroy Moons and Planets with not just the IMP, but even with his normal punches? Well, we actually have numerous examples of both Superman and Supergirl, both having similar physical power behind them, shown as capable of damaging and outright destroying Moons with little-to-no difficulty:

Not only that, but we still have this: the first feat I'll present is an example of how Superman was fighting General Zod on a artificially-created Planet Earth named Metropia, and located within the Phantom Zone during Superman #215, in the "For Tomorrow" Story Arc. Their fight had been shown as tearing apart the entire Planet while they had thrown, once again, normal punches - not only that, but both of them were evidently under a Red Sun, therefore being slightly weakened, and they also weren't even impacting the Planet with their punches. That would mean that each of their punches had actually been so powerful that just the mere shockwaves of them had begun in shaking the Planet and tearing it apart: 

But no scan is complete without context, right? 

The second feat that I'll present is taken from the well-known "Infinite Crisis" story arc, where Post-Crisis Superman and Kal-L, a alternate Superman from the World of Earth-2, had begun to fight in a battle that actually "shatters the boundaries of Space and Time", even destroying a separate Alternate Earth in the process and inducing one of the many retcons in DC Comics - this has again shows that while their actual punches had been inflicting a lot more damage, just the shockwave of one of those punches was enough to destroy the Planet. It's also noteworthy to mention that this fight was shown multiple times in several comics throughout the "Infinite Crisis" story arc, but we're going to be mainly concentrating on just one of them - the fight written by Joe Kelley in Adventures of Superman #649:

For this feat to have occurred, the Supermen must've outputted at least 53 Quadrillion Megatons of impact force into those punches, even though the secondary feat of "shattering the boundaries of Time and Space" would essentially be unquantifiable. Just for accuracy's sake, here's the entire fight that's been shown on-panel, preceding up to the "Earth-shattering" punch:

Now, I've seen DBZ fanboys argue against this feat, not because of fanboism or stubbornness, but by simply misinterpreting what's happening on-panel - they all assume that Superman and the comic had been speaking about shattering Earth-2, and debunk this feat on the grounds that Earth-2 appears to be fine afterwards, if not a little worse-for-wear - they are correct in that the Earth that both of them were fighting on was Earth-2, and that said Earth was actually fine after the fight, but it wasn't ever specifically stated in the comic that Earth-2 was the "World" that they had "shattered". Well, how do we make sense of this feat, then? Why was it stated that one of the Supermens' blows had "shattered the World"? Easy - it was merely because it wasn't necessarily Earth-2 that was actually shattered, but this could've been a completely different alternate Earth. Is this even possible? Yes, and for two in-panel reasons:

1) The two Supermen involved were already punching each other hard enough to have "shattered the boundaries of Time and Space" - we could argue that this feat would've taken much more force than mere Planet-busting, but even ignoring that, such a feat now proves that various other dimensions were already accessible at the time - if this was coming from a particularly strong haymaker, for example, it's still entirely possible that the source of the disturbance in Space-Time could cause enough interference to destroy an Alternate Earth. This was further proven by the fact that, after the fight, other Alternate Earths were visible and even some of them were even colliding with each other - this had been specifically shown in Infinite Crisis #5. This would further prove my point that, as the two Superman had fought, it's entirely possible and even likely that  the fight had actually been taken to Orbit, at least at one point, and that one, if not several, Alternate Earths would've also been in danger of being destroyed from the fight: 

2) In addition, the entire basis behind the "Infinite Crisis" Story Arc was that the Alternate Earths were being destroyed and recreated at a constant rate - The newly-created Multiverse was still very unstable, at this point in time, because of Alexander Luthor Jr. using the temporal distortion to drag various Alternate Earths into the one Universe, and so those Alternate Earths, as I've said, were all constantly appearing within the proximity of Earth-Two and would've been in what is known as a "Quantum Superposition". Even if this was actually Earth-Two that had been destroyed, it would've also seemed entirely possible that it would just be brought back, as it was during the exact moment of its destruction, due to Alexander Luthor Jr. constantly finding more Alternate Earths. This entire theory was based around the Many-Worlds Interpretation, the Quantum Mechanical theory that serves as being the fundamental basis for the entire DC Multiverse, and we could argue that because every single possible outcome must have some Alternate World where that outcome is a reality, then any destroyed Alternate Worlds would need to be immediately recreated to serve that vital purpose. 

It's also noteworthy to mention that, despite Earth-One most likely remaining intact throughout the entire fight between these two Supermen, it had still not gone unscathed in said fight without damage. Infinite Crisis #5  also showz Earth-One's surface as being heavily-damaged by the time that Wonder Woman had actually arrived there, with literally all of Metropolis shown as being in flames and, presumably, the entirety of Earth-One being rendered completely uninhabitable as a result: 

This fact is further backed up on-panel, again, by other retellings of the fight within other Comic Books - Action Comics #836, as another example, features Earth-One having taken a entire week to die and there being no other living thing on the Planet except for Superman:

...and Superman has also been shown accomplishing these feats consistantly for much of his career - even in early Post-Crisis, soon after his depowerment, Superman was able to destroy a meteor that would've demolished the Earth. Superman also did this in one shot:

In addition, Superman himself has expressed how he can physically destroy Small Planets with his normal punches, even while holding back - do take note that Superman, unlike many of his villians, is not a braggart and therefore has no reason to exaggerate, as well as the astronomy-based fact that Earth, when compared to other terrestrial Celestial Bodies, is essentially a "small Planet"

Superman has even passively mentioned such punching strength to Batman, expressing that a out-of-control Supergirl "throwing a teenage fit" would be capable of accidentally "cracking the Planet (Earth) in half", and Batman notably didn't deny the claim openly that Kara possesses the raw force needed to perform such a feat:

These are just some of the claims that Superman has made, and also notice that one of these claims is clearly expressed in-monologue? - Superman's not even making the claim out-loud, so that takes away the idea of him bragging or over-exaggerating his power to Konvict, whom he's fighting at the time of the claim. The last claim, as well, leaves little room for doubt, and it's also notable to mention that the Elementals that Superman was threatening had backed down upon his threat, further suggesting that it's completely possible for Superman to destroy the Planet if he so wished. 

Myth #3 - "Superman can only move at FTL speeds when accelerating, not immediately"

Exhibit A: This scan is taken from Adventures of Superman #620, and was used by UltimateSaiyan in order to imply that Superman cannot move at FTL speeds immediately, and first must break through the threshold where "Space bends around him, at this Velocity" and "Time slows down" at Relativistic speeds:

The issue here is that this scan proves nothing - Superman can move at FTL speeds immediately, if he chooses to, but that doesn't mean that he always does nor does one scan of him casually not doing so prove that he cannot do this. It does show some insight in terms of how Superman flies, however, as it clearly describes Superman as "bending Space" - this was similar to one theory that Desaad, one of Darkseid's scientists, had formulated to explain Superman's flight:

Superman doesn't constantly rely on bending Space, however, such as when increasing his bodily mass relativistically to use the Infinite Mass Punch (IMP), but I digress. Anyhow, in order to counter this scan, I'll use another taken from Superman #709, in the Superman: Grounded" Story Arc, during which Superman had still done the exact same thing with his perceptions without acceleration: 

...and during which "the whole World has just frozen in place" - it's also notable to mention that the entire conversation had also taken up the following 2 or 3 Comic Book pages, as well:

All of this being considered, these particular events would obviously be taking place at a similar speed to UltimateSaiyan's panel. Superman had casually talked to the Flash for a good 3 or 4 more pages of dialogue, and so it clearly shows that Superman can reach these top speeds with little-to-no effort or acceleration over a prolonged period of time . Also  the writer of Superman #709, Chris Roberson, had some interesting things to say, in regards Superman having to "speed up" his senses while using his Super-Speed. Not only does this interview actually confirm that Superman has massively beyond nanosecond-precise perception and reaction time - even up towards attosecond-precise, according to Roberson himself - but also brings out that there actually isn't any drawn out speed-up time for Super-Speed perceptions and reactions:

It's a fair question, to be sure. I wasn't thinking of Superman "activating" his superspeed perceptions, like it was a light switch that could be turned on and off, so much as it was shifting his perceptions to bring superspeed events and sounds into focus. Like the human eye looking at something small and close up and then adjusting when the viewer looks at something large and far away, I think Superman is perceiving all of these things, ALL of the time, and it's just a question of what he chooses to focus on. But I think Superman is also capable of focusing on macro-scale, "normal" speed events at a rate something similar to that in the typical human range, so that he wouldn't spend a subjective eternity between each word in every sentence that Lois says to him. Similarly, he can chose to perceive visual information much like we do, or he can expand his perceptions and see far into the electromagnetic spectrum, or narrow his focus far enough to see individual atoms. But just like he doesn't see Lois as merely a cloud of electrons, neutrons, and protons, he doesn't perceive every second as composed of a huge number of attosecond-scale events--unless he wants to, of course.

But that's just one fan's opinion, too!

Chris Roberson


Sure, you might be able to make the argument that objects were simply moving very, very, very slowly in this particular instance, but we'd also have to take into account that it was never said in-panel, not to mention that Superman could also see sub-atomically, at this point, and so he'd easily be able to know exactly what objects were moving at whatever speed. Even Chris Roberson himself mentions this point above, so if Superman states that something is "frozen", then it's very reasonable to assume that said thing is frozen even on a sub-atomic level. 

Exhibit B:  Next, UltimateSaiyan had used this scan, from Superman Volume 2 #195, and suggests that Superman implies himself that he cannot move at FTL speeds:

This is incorrect, as Superman actually says that he "can move almost at the Speed of Light", not that he directly can't move at or past the Speed of Light - there is notably very little context provided here and, in addition, notice that Superman also claimed that he "can hold his breath in Space". This issue had been written in September 2003 when, in 2001, Superman had already trained with Mongul II and shouldn't have had to breathe at all. What does this mean? Considering the appearance of Cir-El, the future daughter of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, as "Supergirl" as well as various other factors in the story, this issue was either a) an Elseworld story or b) a Prequal story, featuring a much younger, weaker, and slower Superman who hadn't yet unlocked all of his mental barriers. Similarly, there are various other statements that aren't used by UltimateSaiyan, and yet are still commonly taken out of context to downplay Superman - one of which was taken from Justice League of America Vol 1. #21, where the Justice League had teamed up with Adam Strange to prevent Rann from being invaded by En'tarians:

This statement is taken out of context because Superman wasn't just referring to Light, in general, but had actually been talking about the Raanian Zeta-Beams that the Justice League needed to outrace at the time - these same Zeta-Beams had allowed Raanians to travel multiple Light Years within mere seconds as a advanced form of teleportation, so this so called "Light" had actually been travelling at massively faster-than-Light speeds. Furthermore, yet another example was taken from Justice League of America #14, during the Lightning Saga story arc, in which the Justice League had been trying to detain the Injustice League which had included Lex Luthor, Gorrila Grodd, Parasite, and Doctor Light:

Again, this was blatantly taken out of context. Granted, the blast did come from Doctor Light, which means that the Laser-like blast had actually been more than likely moving at Lightspeed, but we have to take into account other factors regarding Superman's speed - Unfortunately, this scan doesn't hold much merit because of this:

Superman almost always holds back his flight speed, especially in populated areas, to avoid causing Sonic Booms and Supersonic Shockwaves - and also take notice that Superman had still been flying indoors within that last scan. Ergo, Superman had been intentionally flying below the Speed of Light while travelling into a confined area to avoid collateral damage or even death, due to that area being crammed in by Supervillains that he only wanted to detain, not kill. Sonic Booms might not be lethal by themselves, granted, but the Supersonic Shockwaves that produce Sonic Booms can cause severe potential injuries - just the air displacement alone, if it's powerful enough, is able to pulverize bones, rupture blood vessels, and even liquefy gas-containing organs. The body's heart and lungs, for example, would rupture at about 40 PSI, whereas the water displacement visibly featured in the scan above had obviously exerted much more pressure than that. if that wasn't enough, nearby debris that a Shockwave happens to hit can be accelerated into makeshift peices of shrapnel (Wood, Stone, Plastic, Metal, ect...) that can easily tear through the body and produce hydrostatic shock, even further causing internal damage:

"The compression and suction phases of blast dynamics manifest as shock waves and displacement waves respectively. The effects of a shock wave depends on the explosive charge, the distance from the explosion and the terrain and surroundings. Spalling, implosion, inertia and pressure differentials are mechanisms by which injury may be inflicted to the human body, especially to the gas containing organs. Displacement waves cause light objects to become high velocity missiles which may cause lacerations or penetrating wounds."

Keep in mind, too, that this would be affected by Superman's distance to ground level while flying, as well - Fighter Jets that are able to fly at Supersonic speeds have been seen as breaking the Sound Barrier relatively close to civilians, but only do this at low Mach Speeds and, typically, only at higher altitudes. Much of a Shockwave's power has to do with the amount of air that it displaces, and moving that fast at a higher altitude means less air to displace. A Fighter Jet that reaches Mach 1.4 at 20,000 feet above ground level, for example, isn't going to have nearly as powerful a Supersonic Shockwave or as loud a Sonic Boom as Superman reaching Mach 10,000 at 5,000 feet above ground level.

Exhibit C: Then next scan that UltimateSaiyan used had portrayed Superman escaping from a Black Hole, and struggled to accelerate in order to reach the Speed of Light:

This, once again, proves nothing - the escape velocity of a Black Hole in of itself surpassing the Speed of Light, and so you have to be travelling at that speed just to simply move forward within one's Event Horizaon. Superman had already been exerting a substantial amount of energy, more than necessary to move at FTL speeds, just to stay stationary and keep from being sucked in, let alone actually move at significant speeds in the opposite direction. This is also proven in the comic with the order of events, as Superman had initially got a substantial start and does accelerate to FTL speeds in mere seconds, but when that Gravity catches up to him, his speed plummets from "184,202 miles per second"  to literally "0 feet per second":

Think of it like a Truck pulling a loose tree stump, or a boulder - that truck isn't going to move nearly as fast, no matter how much Horsepower (hp) you give it, because whatever it's towing is holding it back with its weight. Superman is the "Truck", basically, and the Black Hole's Gravitational Pull is a "boulder" that is a lot bigger than the "Truck" trying to tow it. Even Light itself cannot even travel a single inch per second forwards while inside the Event Horizon of a Black Hole, despite Photons consistently moving at an incredible 186,000 miles per second otherwise. Why? Because the Gravitational energy that is now fighting against that same 186,000 miles per second speed is far too great, and the same energy that is pulling it